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Solid upper strut mounts
What are the options out there for people who like a firmer ride but don't necessarily need or want camber plates? Once you start putting heavier springs and stiffer struts in, the upper strut mount becomes a point of failure - especially if it's an older part or something from URO or Scantech. I'd like something akin to the original Grp-A plates - just a round plate with a heavy duty bearing but stock adjustability (maybe put the mounting studs in a little further but no spare holes).

Ben's camber plates aren't at a bad price point, honestly, but if someone could make a set for somewhere around $150, I think they'd make a pretty solid profit from a lot of people in the same boat.

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12-22-2011 10:30 AM
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RE: Solid upper strut mounts
You haven't seen my signature on TB have you?

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12-22-2011 04:39 PM
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12-22-2011 04:40 PM
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(12-22-2011 04:39 PM)scottyd Wrote:  You haven't seen my signature on TB have you?

Yeah something like that, but not that requires cutting. Basically a drop-in replacement. I DO like those though. Smile
12-23-2011 02:48 AM
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RE: Solid upper strut mounts
Well if you don't really want them to adjust you don't have to cut.

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12-23-2011 02:51 AM
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RE: Solid upper strut mounts
If you didn't adjust can you run them in the "stock position" that is, where the standard rubber bit would place the top of the strut?

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12-23-2011 09:57 PM
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That's correct. You'd still have a bit of caster adjustment as well.

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12-23-2011 10:06 PM
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RE: Solid upper strut mounts
We must talk about this Scotty. I too want something to replace the POS designed mounts, and it sounds like the Noltec's I have may have fitment/travel issues...

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12-24-2011 01:41 AM
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Well as of now the 7/9 plates are weld-in only.

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12-24-2011 03:55 AM
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RE: Solid upper strut mounts
There's a guy who sells those blue, group A style mounts... Can't remember what his name is, someone will though. Tom, maybe? They have the outer perimeter drilled so you can rotate them for different camber/caster settings while using the stock mounting holes, to my knowledge.
12-30-2011 02:46 PM
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Yup. Tom is correct. Group A motorsports or something like that?

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12-30-2011 02:49 PM
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I have been running the noltec plates on my 240 turbo for several years now. I bought the street version which has a poly insert and won't allow much caster camber adjustment. In retrospect I should have bought the track version which is solid and has more adjustment. They were only about $150 so I am happy with them even with their shortcomings. I have heard about the reduction in travel the noltec style plates have but I don't run my car really low so I have not had any suspension travel issues. I use 250lb 11"barrel springs and plan on 300lb springs next. In addition I'm not happy with the damping on my front Bilstein HD inserts. They are damped with the hardest rsport spec which Dave Barton kindly provides on his site. They are too soft in my opinion and I want to try some different settings. Not a whole lot stiffer but there definitely needs to be some changes.

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12-30-2011 03:01 PM
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RE: Solid upper strut mounts
(12-30-2011 03:01 PM)dl242gt Wrote:  I have been running the noltec plates on my 240 turbo for several years now. I bought the street version which has a poly insert and won't allow much caster camber adjustment. In retrospect I should have bought the track version which is solid and has more adjustment. They were only about $150 so I am happy with them even with their shortcomings. I have heard about the reduction in travel the noltec style plates have but I don't run my car really low so I have not had any suspension travel issues. I use 250lb 11"barrel springs and plan on 300lb springs next. In addition I'm not happy with the damping on my front Bilstein HD inserts. They are damped with the hardest rsport spec which Dave Barton kindly provides on his site. They are too soft in my opinion and I want to try some different settings. Not a whole lot stiffer but there definitely needs to be some changes.
If they're to his stiffest specs I would think that your problem doesn't lie in damping but maybe in spring rate...
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RE: Solid upper strut mounts
(12-30-2011 04:58 PM)KLR142 Wrote:  
(12-30-2011 03:01 PM)dl242gt Wrote:  I have been running the noltec plates on my 240 turbo for several years now. I bought the street version which has a poly insert and won't allow much caster camber adjustment. In retrospect I should have bought the track version which is solid and has more adjustment. They were only about $150 so I am happy with them even with their shortcomings. I have heard about the reduction in travel the noltec style plates have but I don't run my car really low so I have not had any suspension travel issues. I use 250lb 11"barrel springs and plan on 300lb springs next. In addition I'm not happy with the damping on my front Bilstein HD inserts. They are damped with the hardest rsport spec which Dave Barton kindly provides on his site. They are too soft in my opinion and I want to try some different settings. Not a whole lot stiffer but there definitely needs to be some changes.
If they're to his stiffest specs I would think that your problem doesn't lie in damping but maybe in spring rate...

In my reading evil genius racing was suggesting a 315lb spring for a street/track car. I went with 250 because that seemed like a good upgrade to lean it more toward street than track. The roads are horrible around here. The rsport shock damping rate was used with stock springs. I didn't think the damping would be too soft since 250lb springs aren't that much harder. Not sure what to point the finger at but the front has a wallow over bumps sometimes that is unnerving. The rear of the car feels very good. So I was thinking out loud that the shocks need some better calibration possibly more rebound? My thinking being wallow reduction would be done with the rebound of the shock.

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Interesting. I'd have to look at the specs of those(haven't looked at Barton's site for a while), but I thought that his stiffest valvings were for rallying? 315lbs does sound good for the street... Hmm.
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You are correct. The stiffest valving was for rallying if I recall correctly. But you could just as soon put them on a car with stock springs is what I meant. The rally spring rates mentioned in the other thread are very interesting and seem like they might be pretty good as well.

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(12-30-2011 02:49 PM)scottyd Wrote:  Yup. Tom is correct. Group A motorsports or something like that?

Makes some bad-ass stuff.

Where would one find such a person to inquire about said plates?

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