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5.0 Explorer Bertone
Back in 09 (sound like my dad) I started what I thought would be a fun 5.0 Ford swap that might take a number of weekends. Big Grin Boy was I wrong.
I spoke to Ross Converse and he talked me out of a Mustang 5.0 swap.
Telling me of the benefits on the Explorer engine vs. the Mustang.
O.K. I'm in.

   
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RE: 5.0 Explorer Bertone
A little background on the car. It was my wifes car who loves Volvo's and has owned many. She got this car from her dad and loved to drive it till the french V6
puked a head gasket coming home from a VCOA meet in Olympia Wa.
This was before she and I meet. After we were married she asked me to fix her Bertone and install a engine from another Volvo like what was in her 940 Turbo.
At this point I'm not fully onboard with the Volvo love. I opened the hood on the 940
and decided that a Volvo-Volvo swap was not in my best interest. Hmmm wonder if I still think that? Big Grin

   
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RE: 5.0 Explorer Bertone
So I picked up a 91 Mercury Marquis Crown Colony wagon with the needed 5.0
and AOD. Called Ross and tried to order a kit for the Merc 5.0 which come to find out is somewhat different than a Mustang 5.0. I'm not a Ford guy either. LOL
Finally after some pressure from my wife "Just spend the dang money" I got the Explorer kit. Then a 99 Explorer 5.0 and a 2000 4Rw70.
Should be done in no time. ya right! Pulled the PVR
   
   
   
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RE: 5.0 Explorer Bertone
I loved the part of the swap where you get to order stuff.
I got BBK coated headers, Ford racing oil pan (just a Mustang pan I think)
I cleaned the engine and then swapped oil pans. Nice to get a look inside.
The oil pick up tube looked destroyed and I called Ford tech and they said thats the way they are. Looks odd to be but I'll run it.
Note "don't buy coated headers" if you want to do the swap the right way.
I'd much rather heat and bend a collector than beat up a frame rail. It will cost more to coat them afterwards but its the better way to do it. Maybe it bolts up in somebody's world but not mine.
   
   
   
   
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RE: 5.0 Explorer Bertone
Somehow I managed to install the engine with the plenum intact and with the front bumper on the car. Don't do it that way. Spend the time and clear a path.
I also didn't use a tilter at first. But glady spent the money for one for the other many in's and out's of the engine swap. Lost count at 4 or 5. Do not plan on it working on your 1st install. If you can do that also buy a lotto ticket. Fingersx
   
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Part of my instructions from the Converse kit was to dent the frame rail with a ball pein hammer. I'm o.k. with that and I suppose it could still be needed even if you modify your headers to fight tighter. I had to do it 3 different times.
The steering shaft touched the header on the drivers side. So I did as the JTR book says and moved the steering column slightly to the left and it was still too close so I hammered a couple tubes just enough to clear.
And while looking up other V8 Volvo builds I have seen where some have trimmed the A-arm mount (rear) bracket. I did the same but added the metal back for support. Just what I felt best doing.
   
   
   
   
   
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RE: 5.0 Explorer Bertone
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I kept the old exhaust sytem since I may need to build the new system.
My wife actually won a new exhaust system but now she is saying that I've taken to long to take advantage of the offer because it was something someone donated to an auction for charity. Something about taxes etc. etc. All I heard was bla bla bla
Either way I'm good. I also trimmed the crossmember for more room as I am thinking a single 3" will work fine. Something I saw another V8'r do. Can't claim that idea mine but I'll use it anyway.
   
   

Also note the fingers I added to the crossmember because I could not deal with the idea of only having 2 threaded bolts holding the crossmember in place.
2 lag bolts just did not instill confidence.
   
   
   
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RE: 5.0 Explorer Bertone
This was one of the most beautiful cars of all times. The leather interior extended to the door cards and the seat backs. I feel fortunate to have owned one.

Thank you for giving this one a new life.

Winnebago used the collabration engine in one their small RVs for a few year and replaced just about 100% of the engines under warranty. The engine was always the weak part.

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RE: 5.0 Explorer Bertone
(03-02-2012 10:23 PM)Test Point Wrote:  This was one of the most beautiful cars of all times. The leather interior extended to the door cards and the seat backs. I feel fortunate to have owned one.

Thank you for giving this one a new life.

I recall reading a Car & Driver article about the Bertone. It was called something like "The new Volvo for people under six foot ". My wife is closer to five foot.
Works great for her. I actually tried giving the old engine away and had no takers.
People would ask my wife, back when it was a driver, if it was a Bentley.
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RE: 5.0 Explorer Bertone
Probably do some bouncing around on this thread so bare with me as its been a couple of years now.

Some things to know about getting a huge 4RW70 into a little trans tunnel.
First my "kit" instructions made no mention of sledge work needed. It is!
It also made no mention of trimming tabs and trimming case of the trans. Also needed. (at least on this install)
I was told that I would need a add on computor to drive the speedo cable for a few hundred dollars. Thanks to some brain storming with Test Point we (mostly TP) discovered that an AOD tailshaft would bolt up to the 4RW70 giving the option of running a speedo cable.
Looking back I would have to consider cutting out the trans tunnel and fitting the engine/trans then custom refitting the tunnel. Either way lots of work.
   
   
   
   
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RE: 5.0 Explorer Bertone
Actually, you must use the old style AOD extension if you are using an Explorer 4R70W transmission because the newer bushing and seal is made for the 1330 u-joint, 1.6" slip joint shaft. I was not able to find a bushing and seal to convert to the 1.5" slip joint of the 1310 u-joint that is required because of the mentioned transmission tunnel clearance issues. And I verified that the 1310 slip joint was never made with a 1.6" shaft.

I even tried to beat clearance for the larger 1330 u-joint but there was no way that was going to work.

The fact that some 4R70W tail housings did not come with a mechanical speedometer hole is another separate issue that benefits from the AOD solution.

Easy solution but just not much detailed information around.

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RE: 5.0 Explorer Bertone
Good point on the tailshaft!
I have found that many of the Volvo models require methods unique to its type.
240 vs. 740 etc.

Going to show my approach on the computor because I was not pleased with the seal it in a plastic bag idea from Converse.
I went to a few wrecking yards and looked at Ford's to see how they did it.
I pretty much copied (the best I could) the factory way.
I got a few covers that have a built in rubber seal to keep weather tight.
Then I got a box from a burned out Mazda Navaho. A little super alloy welding rod to fill holes, then sanded the face flat. Added it into the slot I cut in the firewall. Then gooped it with some body sealer. Not perfect but better than a plastic bag.
   
   
   
   
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RE: 5.0 Explorer Bertone
Shot a few new pics under the car for before and after exhaust clearance.
   
   
   
   
Notice the trimming(grinding,sanding) of the tranny plate and starter bump.
   
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One of the things in the Converse kit were 2 nice, stout engine mount adapters.
One thing I did not like was the suggestion to raise the LH mount to clear the steering gear. I followed another swapper before me's idea of trimming the LH mount bracket.
   
   
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One of my favorite pictures!
   
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Nice to see it coming along!!!!

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RE: 5.0 Explorer Bertone
I'm thinking of doing this with my 780.

What were the benefits of doing this with the explorer V8?

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Probably that it's newer and easy to find

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RE: 5.0 Explorer Bertone
(03-12-2012 10:53 PM)Michael Yount Wrote:  Nice to see it coming along!!!!

Thanks! Still at a snails pace. LOL

(03-13-2012 12:41 PM)Ursan Wrote:  I'm thinking of doing this with my 780.

What were the benefits of doing this with the explorer V8?

(03-13-2012 01:25 PM)WindowsBreakerG4 Wrote:  Probably that it's newer and easy to find

Easier to find might have been true before C4C. Now I'm not so sure?
It has many benefits one is the heads are GT40P which suppose to have good flow.
Also distributor less ignition. The EFI is mod friendly (from what I've heard)
And the 4RW70 is much stronger better performing trans than the AOD.
Going off memory thats what I recall.

Thanks for the reply's!
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RE: 5.0 Explorer Bertone
Wasn't there also a FSB 5.4 V8 for the explorers?

I seriously want to do this. Those are all OBDII?

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RE: 5.0 Explorer Bertone
(03-13-2012 02:21 PM)Ursan Wrote:  Wasn't there also a FSB 5.4 V8 for the explorers?

I seriously want to do this. Those are all OBDII?

No 5.4 in the Explorer, only 4.0 v-6, 5.0 v-8 and 4.6 v-8.

They are all OBDII.

One piece of advice, DO NOT use the Explorer if you want to swap your car for an emissions state such as CA. It is not a legal

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RE: 5.0 Explorer Bertone
(03-13-2012 04:16 PM)badvlvo Wrote:  
(03-13-2012 02:21 PM)Ursan Wrote:  Wasn't there also a FSB 5.4 V8 for the explorers?

I seriously want to do this. Those are all OBDII?

No 5.4 in the Explorer, only 4.0 v-6, 5.0 v-8 and 4.6 v-8.

They are all OBDII.

One piece of advice, DO NOT use the Explorer if you want to swap your car for an emissions state such as CA. It is not a legal

hmm, thought there was a 5.4 ohv. Oh well.
Gotcha.

Massachusetts. Car is older than 1994=no emissions testing.

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RE: 5.0 Explorer Bertone
Here is a 'few' items included in the Converse kit. Not saying thats all thats included
just some high lights.

Supplied linkage I never could get to work. Just couldn't wrap my head around it maybe?
   

Supplied harness(and a vac line tangled in there)
   

ATF Ford to Volvo hose , not going to use. I'll build custom lines.
   

P/S line connector, probably be o.k. I'll build custom lines
   

High pressure hose. I know many use hose on high pressure fuel line.
I had custom hard lines built.
   
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RE: 5.0 Explorer Bertone
Hard lines I had made connecting Ford to Volvo @ Williams Oil Filter in Tacoma.
   

MSD regulator (fuel pressure) IIRC it was $85.00 same thing can be had much cheaper if you do your homework.
   

Note: not finished (lack of hose clamps) will use high pressure hose on low side, since I have it.
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